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  <div class="postedDate">posted: <b> 4:11 PM, March 23, 2007</b>
  by <b>Tom Breihan</b>
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  <p><img alt="el.jpg" src="http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/el.jpg" width="385" height="178" /><br />
<em>You can't really see it in this picture, but he's started looking a lot like Jack Bauer since he lost the goatee</em></p>

<p><strong>El-P<br />
Bowery Ballroom<br />
March 22, 2006</strong></p>

<p>So <a href="http://www.definitivejux.net/jukies/el-p/">El-P</a> has a new album, and it supposedly adresses existential ambient angst in post-9/11 New York, although I have a nagging suspicion that all that is just a nicer way of saying that he's finally gotten around to recording another album of arrhythmically stuttered bellowing and disorientingly busy synth-shrieks. Admittedly, <em>I'll Sleep When You're Dead</em> is going to take some time to unravel, and I haven't really committed much effort to it yet, not when there's a new Crime Mob album and everything. But I've spent enough time with it to know that it's just as frustrating as it is impressive; for every ominous epic churn like "Tasmanian Pain Coaster," there's an obnoxiously bloopy nasal harangue like "Drive." As a producer, El-P is almost too gifted for his own good, rarely stripping things away to their barest economical boom when he can pile discordant layers of noise on top of instead. On a few recent albums by Def Jux compadres like Cage and Mr. Lif, he's finally been easing up on the hectic ugliness and settling for a relatively simple jerky boom, but he unfortunately only brought that new sense of restraint to a couple of tracks on his own new one. As a rapper, I like him best when he's on some fired-up, angry stereotypical rap shit, as on Aesop Rock's "We're Famous," where he blasted the fuck out of some random indie-rap dudes. <em>I'll Sleep When You're Dead</em> mostly finds him spitting tangled, tortured sci-fi morality tales, and I'm just not that interested in that stuff. Bias alert: I'm generally just not that into the Def Jux dystopian maximalist take on indie-rap; given the choice, I'd take the earnest, Midwestern emo-rap of the Rhymesayers label any day. But El-P lords over his chosen subgenre with kingly authority, something that became painfully obvious when I saw the parade of Def Jux goofs who opened his record-release show at the <a href="http://boweryballroom.com/">Bowery Ballroom</a> last night.</p>
  <span id="more"><p>Def Jux usually structures its live shows as traveling revues, at least until the headliners come out. That means you never have to sit through more than like twenty minutes of any given group, but it also means you get a huge range of horrible rapping. Half of last night's opening acts never identified themselves, at least not that I could hear, but that's probably for the best. I did like the big fat guy who came out just before El, mostly because his raps were slow and emphatic and clearly pronounced and because he used tracks with actual basslines. <a href="http://www.myspace.com/yakballz">Yak Ballz</a> looks and sounds exactly the way you'd expect that someone who calls himself "Yak Ballz" would. He also wears those fingerless My Chemical Romance skeleton-gloves, bugs his eyes out, raps over guitar-heavy tracks, and sprays silly-string into the crowd, all of which was admittedly fun to watch even if I can't imagine ever sitting through one of his records. <a href="http://www.myspace.com/hangareighteen">Hangar 18</a>, though, remain one of the most comically irritating live rap groups on the planet, sort of an amazing achievement in its own right. Basically, the duo just does vaguely rhythmic yelling over thudding static. One of them can sort of rap, which just makes everything worse because he really should know better. I can't believe I still haven't seen UGK and I've sat through these doofuses more than once.</p>

<p>After the random-ass chaos of his opening acts, El-P felt like something of a revelation, mostly because he's apparently been taking lessons in aggro theatre from his boy Trent Reznor. He's touring with a live band now, and you can't hear the drums or keys or bass over the dubby clangor of DJ Mr. Dibbs, but they all sure look imposing onstage. El's live show used to just be him and a hypeman (usually Aesop), and so it was great to see him make the aesthetic leap into an actual stage show. His entire backing band takes the stage in army fatigues and ski-masks, and the stage has swivel-mounted spotlights and hidden strobes and eerie rear-screen projections. When the lights go down, that cover of "Mad World" from the <em>Donnie Darko</em> soundtrack wafts out, and it sounds even more eerie now that it was in that one videogame commercial. And when El-P himself finally emerges, he's wearing an orange prison jumpsuit with fake blood all on his face. An entrance like that gives enough early momentum to keep the show feeling like an event even as the band-members gradually get hot and peel off their ski-masks (though the drummer impressively managed to keep his on the whole time). Last night, that momentum kept up while El ran through most of the new album's first half and a few oldies, only finally dissipating when Dibbs' inevitable extended scratch-solo segment came up. Dibbs always plays rock songs and tries to incite moshpits, but last night he just threw on a quick guitar loop and left his turntables, and the ensuing pit was pretty understandably weak. ("It was better than Miami, anyway," someone onstage said afterward.) El-P still doesn't rap on-beat, and he doesn't really try; he mostly just huffs and shouts, which drives me fucking nuts. But he holds the stage with real enthusiasm, a rarity in the low-charisma zone of indie-rap. The obligatory Def Jux cameo parade was more fun than I would've expected: Aesop Rock rapping over cotton-candy house music, Cage so drunk he could barely stand - though I really could've used an appearance from Mr. Lif, the best rapper on Def Jux, who never made it to the stage even though he was definitely in the building. For the encore, El-P brought out his entire Weathermen clique to do "Left It To Us," the fiercely exciting posse cut from Cage's <em>Hell's Winter</em>, one of the finest moments from everyone involved and a strong way to close out the night. Every Def Jux show eventually reaches the point where it begins to feel like an endurance test. That moment arrived later last night than it usually does, and that's all I really could've asked for from this guy, especially considering that I don't particularly like him or anything.</p>

<p><strong>Voice feature:</strong> <a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0712,harvilla,76095,22.html">Rob Harvilla on El-P</a><br />
<strong>Voice review:</strong> <a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0228,seward,36351,22.html">Scott Seward on El-P's <em>Fantastic Damage</em></a></p></span>
      
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        <p>Crime Mob sound way more  scary and apocalyptic than EL-P...ALL-MADDEN!</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">brandonsoderberg</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/brandonsoderberg"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 23, 2007  5:23 PM</p>
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        <p>"Admittedly, I'll Sleep When You're Dead is going to take some time to unravel, and I haven't really committed much effort to it yet, not when there's a new Crime Mob album and everything." Man, for a smart guy, and a pretty good writer your personal tastes are pretty abysmal at times. While showing lukewarm interest in someone as supernaturally good in the studio as El-p. (Cold Vein, Fantastic Damage etc.) and consistently praising middling, mediocre, not to mention boring southern garbage rap. Yea, I'd much rather listen to your favorite groups drooling their ghetto retarded, ignorant, cliched, bullshit than someone with some actual talent rightfully garnering respect they've earned from a productive career. Wow, a rapper who might actually have something to say. Who could have imagined. How novel. Gotta love rap groups with pedophiles in'em. It's all the rage.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: Panthro <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/Panthro"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 23, 2007  6:01 PM</p>
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        <p>it's real easy to sh*t on something you don't like(which is cool.  I like easy that's why i switched to a Mac)<br />
However, it's real hard to have fun with your music when your scene has changed from genuine hip-hop loving appreciative fans to angst ridden socially awkward band-wagoners.<br />
It's real hard to have fun despite the added pressure and obstacles that come along with being extremely successful at following your vision.<br />
But.. that's what the Def Jux family did last night they had fun. (which is why I enjoyed the show, Thanks El-P! and Thanks Steve Jobs!)</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: jabarig <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/jabarig"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 24, 2007  5:43 PM</p>
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        <p>What?</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">brandonsoderberg</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/brandonsoderberg"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 24, 2007  7:16 PM</p>
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        <p>sorry if that didn't make sense.  I'm a horrible writer<br />
What i meant to say was.<br />
"I enjoyed the show"</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: jabarig <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/jabarig"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 24, 2007  7:38 PM</p>
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        <p>Yo, you are tredding on Kelefa Sanneh territory in these reviews. I undestand people say "indie" and "intelligent" rappers are great for no reason, but come on, Crime Mob over El-P? Admit the new EL-P shit is fucking good. please, just admit it. And the person I am adressing is Breihan not Brandon Soderberg --or however you spell your name.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: Bkudler <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/Bkudler"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 25, 2007  2:03 AM</p>
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        <p>You spelled it right. Even if my name were "Mister Mxyzptlk", you could easily consult the spelling, it's right under my post...</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">brandonsoderberg</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/brandonsoderberg"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 25, 2007  3:30 AM</p>
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        <p>Dudes act like it's self-evident that "I'll Sleep When You're Dead" is better than "Hated on Mostly" cause El-P's album is all grandiose and ambitious-seeming, but Tom's point is that this stuff shouldn't be praised unconditionally for its ambition.  Crime Mob aims pretty low and they hit their mark: sassy, exuberant club shit.  There's no reason that can't be preferable to some chaotic mess of ideas that's sometimes successful and sometimes just confusing.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: BubsDepot <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/BubsDepot"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 25, 2007  4:51 PM</p>
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        <p>Subsitute the word shitty for "sassy" when describing crime mob and I'd be inclined to agree with your evaluation. Crime mob really do a pretty admirable job of embracing that whole special ed aesthetic we long for and strive to hear from artists. Lord knows that Crime Mob's inevitable legacy will dissipate faster than a fart in the wind. Thank god someone's aiming for ambitious and transendant as opposed to just plain god-awful. Tom's just one of these self-absorbed know-it-all critics that bitterly resents artists smarter than himself. You know someone like El-p just strikes a little to close to home for someone like Tom who probably has no musical talent whatsoever. You know El-p poured his soul into his new record while the members of Crime Mob probably just bought some more fucking sneakers.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: Panthro <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/Panthro"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 25, 2007  6:07 PM</p>
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        <p>"You know El-p poured his soul into his new record while the members of Crime Mob probably just bought some more fucking sneakers."</p>

<p>dude.  really?</p>

<p>el-p probably owns more shoes than all five crime mob members combined.</p>

<p>also, do the knowledge, crime mob bought more fucking stilletos.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://www.canibringmygat.com" rel="nofollow">noixe</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/noixe"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 25, 2007  7:23 PM</p>
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        <p>Hmm...I know I was asked by a high-schooler not to respond to any more messages here, but I can't resist...even though BubsDepot pretty much said what I wanted to say.</p>

<p>The problem with EL-P is that he is too willing to show how "smart" he is. He's a true auto-didact, still interested in concepts like "dystopia" at a really introductory level. His lyrics too are just too wordy, too show-offy and his jokes, stuff like "bring me the dramatic intro machine" are pretty lame. It's like the kind of guy whose point of reference ends at Orwell or  like, Bill Hicks. You know?</p>

<p>Also, the point was not so much the El-P is bad it's that maybe Crime Mob deserve a little more recognition. El-P is all menace, all anger, it's just a little too simple. I think that Crime Mob's version of "party music" is pretty crazy and scary sounding, so you sort of get this mix of fun and horror which to me is more complex and realistic than Blade Runner in rap-form...It's the same feeling I got watching Three-Six performing 'Doe Boy Fresh' on MTV's Spring Break. It's like, why are these guys here? Especially the end of the song, when it's all synth bloops and fuzz, its pretty scary-sounding. Also, anyone can have a feminist field-day with Crime Mob's girl rappers.<br />
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        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">brandonsoderberg</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/brandonsoderberg"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 25, 2007 11:01 PM</p>
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        <p>  I've been trying to stay out of this debate mostly because I know Tom wrote the "Crime Mob >>> El-P" line to stir shit up with us fruit flies but I feel compelled to toss my two cents into the proverbial well. </p>

<p>  Personally, I have never been a huge Def Jux fan mostly because their discordant, apocalyptic ambient production is pretty hit-and-miss depending on the project. I love<br />
"The Cold Vein" and Cage's last album was pretty dope but listening to Aesop Rock is like the musical equivalent of somebody channeling scratching their long finge rnails on a chalkboard into rhyme form. </p>

<p>  However, I recognize  I'll Sleep When Your Dead is a masterpiece of the indie rap genre and one of the few albums that have come out this year thats been worth half a damn(and shockingly is not thinly disguised minstrel rap like 90% of what passes as "hip hop" these days.) </p>

<p>  El-P is not a particulary, traditionally technically "skilled" rapper in the Nas sense of the word(or even in the Lil' Wayne sense of the word) but his off-beat, verbose spoken word style fits perfectly with his unique aesethic. El-P is purposely dense and difficult as if to challenge the listener which as somebody who is personally sick of the shallowness of the artform find refreshing. Since Crime Mob was brought up, I'll say that their horror crunk aesethic maybe "unique" (unique in the sense that they are biting Juicy J and DJ Paul something fierce) but they are still on the same borderline minstrel kick that the rest of mainstream hip hop has been on for a long time. They fit in perfectly with what's popular in rap music right now and I can't imagine that Hated On Mostly is anything more than a collection of generic crunk songs with a little bit of Three Six horror production twist. Honestly, I just wish this blog would pay the proper attention to one artist who wasn't doing their best to make even Stephin Fetchit cringle.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: DocZeus <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/DocZeus"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 26, 2007  2:29 AM</p>
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        <p>I do not know if there's really any place for agreement because the "other side" on this little debate refuses to  acknowledge Crime Mob or whoever as in anyway viable.</p>

<p>I own 'Fantastic Damage' and I like it, I've heard the new one, think its pretty good, but I just find El-P well, "irritating". The point is, I see what he is doing, I've figured it out, its pretty obvious. On the other hand, Crime Mob are being called minstrels and accused of spending all their money on shoes, so what's the point...I'll just say this...</p>

<p>The Crime Mob album is, in my opinion, not great, but pretty good and remarkably consistent. More consistent than El-P's. Maybe you pricks should actually listen to it, we all know what happens when you "assume".</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">brandonsoderberg</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/brandonsoderberg"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 26, 2007  2:39 AM</p>
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        <p>Was Cool Clam Pete at the show?   </p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: dirty dish cloth <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/dirtydishcloth"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 26, 2007 10:57 AM</p>
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        <p>haha yo Mr. Lif is so, so terrible.  He always has been.  What you should say is that you wish he were there because his live show is his only redeeming characteristic.  His records are GOD-AWFUL.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://foodmantooth.blogspot.com">SordidPuppy</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/SordidPuppy"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 26, 2007  1:18 PM</p>
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        <p>Ain't nobody in the hood listening to El-p.<br />
Def Jux (right around the critical acclaim of "The Cold Vein) switched gears from backpackers to Radiohead fans. That's all good. People need 31 flavors. There's something for everybody out there. However, none of this shit does it for me. Ain't no bootleggers at the barbershop selling me El-p.<br />
A word of advice for Def Jux: stop believing your own hype.</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://www.myspace.com/gangstawolfisreal" rel="nofollow">GANGSTAWOLF</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/GangstaWolf"><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 26, 2007  5:26 PM</p>
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        <p>as long as indie rappers make no reasonable attempt to adopt a commercially viable sound, i don't think they or their fans can really complain about mainstream rap (or, usin' the played-out term, "minstrel show rap.")</p>
        <p class="posted">Posted by: <a href="http://null" rel="nofollow">T.R.E.Y.</a> <a class="commenter-profile" href="http://profile.typekey.com/T.R.E.Y."><img alt='[TypeKey Profile Page]' src='http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/nav-commenters.gif' /></a> at March 27, 2007 10:34 PM</p>
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        <p>all rock critics must prove somehow that they hate Def Jux. they blatantly pander to rock critics, so we must have them. All bands that try to impress rock critics, they must hate... that's just how it is.</p>

<p>In all seriousness, Akon is the most important musician since Michael Jackson in the early 80's, if not the Beatles in the late 60's. Look at his chart domination. He extends a vice like grip on the world of music... he has the ability to dictate how ENTIRE GENRES ebb and flow. The last band to do this? The Beatles. And Akon is making catchier songs than them. Thus, Akon is the greatest musician to ever walk the earth. I wish I was kidding, but my logic is foolproof... no one can refute that. AKON IS THE GREATEST MUSICIAN EVER.</p>
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